17th Annual DSM/EVO Shootout

[talonspyder97]

WOW this is going to get nuts this year. People are going to be running the ever living crap out of these four bangers. I can not wait.

[Mike@AwdMotorsports]

Curt, I've seen the look on your face when you pull the to the starting line quite a few times, judging from that look..........you are always out for blood!

Yeah nobody is safe with Curt in the next lane.. I hope I have atleast .5 to spare if he is in the next lane..

[JimmyBlueTSI]

Much respect to those who chipped in to increase the payouts! Very impressive of you all!

[David Buschur]

Updated the rules for DSM/EVO Stock appearing classes to "get with the times".

Both classes will now allow a header BUT the turbo must stay in the stock loation.

Both classes now allow 02 housings with or without open wastegate dumps.

NO half radiators allowed in either class.

Both classes can remove the A/C and Power Steering if they wish but it must be done neatly. If you remove it, remove it so half the crap isn't left hanging there.

Hope this helps you guys out. It was done from quite a few requests.

[2highpsi]

I have to be honest when I say I don't like those changes, but it is what it is.

If someones car is radical enough to require a header, an o2 dump, and removed A/C and power steering they should run with the big boys.


That kind of takes the stock "appearing" out of it doesn't it? Now it's more of a stock frame turbo class.

[2highpsi]

It was done from quite a few requests.

I can completely understand you can't please everyone, but for gods sake what didn't they understand about STOCK APPEARING??

[DragNRacing.com]

Just to add another point of view, I totally agree with no header or O2 dump for stock appearing class...AC and power steering removed neatly would not be so bad.

[David Buschur]

Here is the reasoning. #1, EVO RS wasn't suppose to have A/C and I took mine out immediately. Some DSM's did not come with A/C. The power steering on the DSM's can easily be replaced by installing a 1.8 liter manual rack and some guys have done that for weight and because their power steering components have failed and are no longer available. I don't think many guys with EVO's will be dumb enough to take the power steering off since there is no alternative rack, so I changed it just to keep the classes equal.

We have allowed the SS 02 housings in the class all along. Now that there are companies making the SS 02 housings with an external dump for the wastegate, rather than leave them out of the class I thought it was best to include them. Bottom line is, if you have a good exhaust on your car the dump isn't going to help you and in our testing it hurts the EVO's, put the advantage to a properly built EVO with no external dump.

The headers. There are just SO many guys with EVO's that have bought those cheap Ebay headers out there that not letting them in the class from one incorrect part is silly. We know that there are only 2 headers that outperform the stock ported manifold. One of them is built by Shearer Fabrications for the EVO and he is a MAJOR sponsor of this years race and I hate to not let someone run in the class that has a Shearer header on the car.

These are pretty small changes really and I have made rule changes over the years to keep up with the times.

I hope you guys that aren't for it understand.

[2highpsi]

Let me start by saying, I am not trying to argue with you, I have a great deal of respect for you. This is your Shootout, and ultimately your decision. But here are my gripes, then I will be done with the subject.

Here is the reasoning. #1, EVO RS wasn't suppose to have A/C and I took mine out immediately. Some DSM's did not come with A/C.

A/C delete in DSA should be allowed then and not allowed in ESA. USDM Evos ALL had A/C. Your engine bay is by far my favorite of any, but far from Stock appearing.

The power steering on the DSM's can easily be replaced by installing a 1.8 liter manual rack and some guys have done that for weight and because their power steering components have failed and are no longer available. I don't think many guys with EVO's will be dumb enough to take the power steering off since there is no alternative rack, so I changed it just to keep the classes equal.

Again I have to say if the parts really aren't available for DSMs that shouldn't affect the Evo class.

The headers. There are just SO many guys with EVO's that have bought those cheap Ebay headers out there that not letting them in the class from one incorrect part is silly. We know that there are only 2 headers that outperform the stock ported manifold. One of them is built by Shearer Fabrications for the EVO and he is a MAJOR sponsor of this years race and I hate to not let someone run in the class that has a Shearer header on the car.

Ron's manifold is a beautiful work of art. It is also proven to make more power. It is however not stock appearing. The guys running these manifolds should have no problem running EE. That wouldn't be penalizing them.

Again I mean no disrespect, and hope you don't get offended by me speaking my mind. It just kills me that a truely stock appearing street car just won't be able to be competitive in that kind of field.

[DragNRacing.com]

I hope you guys that aren't for it understand.

I totally understand your reasoning. Good info

[BLACKBIRD]

Again I mean no disrespect, and hope you don't get offended by me speaking my mind. It just kills me that a truely stock appearing street car just won't be able to be competitive in that kind of field.

It would be great if a field of true "Stock appearing" cars could be put together, but it seems like there are less and less each year and even less that are prepared to race them.
Last year there were only about five cars that showed for this class and Dave was considering removing the class in the future. If a few more mods are allowed hopefully there will be more people prepared to race.
As long as the small frame turbo remains and the cars are not hacked I'm for it. We have two DSA customer cars coming down with us this year, that are running high 11's, so let's hope we can keep the class alive.

[David Buschur]

2highpsi,

I do not mind you saying what's on your mind at all. It is not MY shootout, it is everyone's shootout.

I just plastered the rule changes on a bunch of other sites. I'd personally like to leave them stand as I changed them.

A few things to consider, if you will. The two quickest/fastest stock appearing EVO's to date have both run 9.5's, that was on the stock ported exhaust manifolds. Just a header is not going to put one car at an advantage over another, there is much more to a build than the header or any single part. I could put every part from my RS into a large container and send it out to just about anyone and I'd put money on the build the parts went on would not be as fast as my car is. Just consider that. Also consider that the two headers that do make more power than the ported stock manifold are $800+. I am changing the rule to let some of these $199 header equipped cars in the classes and I can assure you, they make less power than a ported stock manifold. Advantage goes to you there.

As Blackbird pointed out the DSA and ESA classes are two of the smallest classes at the shootout. I think DSA actually had 3 cars in it last year. I truly hope that changes this year for both classes.

[Lonnie gandee]

These clutches you speak of for B1 and B2.. I assume they are for EVO b1 and b2...??

[mullen]

i cant wait for this im def running in one of these two classes bc im slow....

[David Buschur]

The clutches will be for whatever DSM/EVO you own, a certificate for the clutch more than likely that you will just mail in.

[Mellon Tuning]

for those who are on the fence about going, here's the video footage I shot last year:

http://www.racevideoforums.com/forum...-coverage.html

[Lonnie gandee]

The clutches will be for whatever DSM/EVO you own, a certificate for the clutch more than likely that you will just mail in.

What kinda answer is that? I only had 4 years of Community College...


My FWD is taking either B1 or B2( 2nd last year 13.50 @ 105mph. ).... I just wanna make sure I'm gonna get a clutch...This is B2--for now... DSM....


Just confused on the response David......????????

[Mellon Tuning]

he's saying you'll win a certificate for a clutch...when you redeem the certificate you'll tell them what car you own and receive the proper fitting clutch.

[pvolk]

Question regarding the DSE class: My buddy plans on attending and racing with his 2G. He has some nice cage work that prevents the back seat from fitting. And to make it look clean, he has some really nice tin work covering the back seat and hatch areas.

Now, I just noticed that the rules state: "-Any vehicle racing at the event that has a full roll cage that interfers with the installation of headliner or back seat will be allowed to run without those interior parts."

The rest of the factory interior is still present. I just want to be sure that his rear tin work won't disqualify him from competing in the DSE class.

Thanks.

[JimmyBlueTSI]

Question regarding the DSE class: My buddy plans on attending and racing with his 2G. He has some nice cage work that prevents the back seat from fitting. And to make it look clean, he has some really nice tin work covering the back seat and hatch areas.

Now, I just noticed that the rules state: "-Any vehicle racing at the event that has a full roll cage that interfers with the installation of headliner or back seat will be allowed to run without those interior parts."

The rest of the factory interior is still present. I just want to be sure that his rear tin work won't disqualify him from competing in the DSE class.

Thanks.

Pictures would probably help your cause.